‘No one is willing to tell King Lear the truth.” [politics]

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 11/07/2020 at 12:29 • Filed to: None

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The Trump White House is currently trying to figure out who will break the news to the President if and when the election is called for former Vice President Joe Biden, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! and !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! report.

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WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 12:33

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I'm sure whoever is on Fox News now already has.  

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 12:33

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ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 11/07/2020 at 12:34

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Yeah, I figured he would hear from Bret Baier or somebody. 

facw > WilliamsSW 11/07/2020 at 12:34

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Seriously, it’s not like Trump gets his info from his advisers in the first place.

VincentMalamute-Kim > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 12:48

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I can totally see everyone and Fox News telling him the reality. And Trump continuing to sit there for weeks in his delusional construct of a world believing he’s winning.

VincentMalamute-Kim > facw 11/07/2020 at 12:49

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Exactly.  He’s building his own comfortable reality right now.  It doesn’t matter what anyone tells him.

Spanfeller is a twat > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 12:49

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I'm glad the door to fascism has closed a bit more

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 11/07/2020 at 12:53

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We were joking at work, the delay between nv, pa and ga, was none of them wanted to be  the one to tip over 270

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 12:55

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Am I the only one who doubts the douche canoe will concede? Does he even know what the word concede is? So much winning makes for a sore looser.

ttyymmnn > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/07/2020 at 13:08

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The Onion politics section has been having a field day with all of this, and some of the headlines are really good. It’s going to be a wild few weeks of scorched earth and pardons. 

ttyymmnn > Spanfeller is a twat 11/07/2020 at 13:11

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But all the people who are totally okay with fascism are still there. Somebody here said, “Law and order with no civil rights is fascism.” And that is pretty clearly the direction Trump was headed in.

wafflesnfalafel > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 13:14

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“I s that the restroom?” “N o, that’s the door to fascism... you don’t want to go in there. ”

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 13:14

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He will never concede because he firmly believes everything he says about how the election was rigged. The only ones who are trying to rig the election are the Republicans who will now try to get votes thrown out. McConnell promised a peaceful transition, but they will have to drag Trump out kicking and screaming. 

shop-teacher > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 13:26

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Oh no, he won't concede. It will be a constant diarrhea of the mouth and Twitter that the election was stolen and rigged. 

Spanfeller is a twat > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 13:32

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Oh the door hasn’t shut... it just isn’t wide-fucking-open anymore.

it’s not even just a problem in the US. For politicians and political groups across the worl d, in nations that have very different traditions of government than the US does, Trump is seen as an excuse to pursue abhorrent practices and behaviours.

America might not be a real beacon of democracy, but it is in many places the guide of how to manage democracy. even if just superficially analyzed.

I know not a lot has changed, but the symbolic (which many people seem to value) has. It means that people won’t get delighted if leaders act in erratic manners (like people here have grown to), and that the weight of global cooperation will be felt again. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 13:38

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McConnel is a fucking terrible person. He has already said he will road block any B iden nominations for cabinet posts. If McConnell sees anyway to make a personal gain and make someone else suffer that’s the road he will take including launching senate investigations into voting.

ttyymmnn > Spanfeller is a twat 11/07/2020 at 13:38

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While not always being the best country in their own right, the US at least has a history of championing oppressed people and supporting democracy and democratic governments. Trump threw that out the window, along with our NATO allies. Trump did more to dismantle NATO than the Russians could have hoped for in their wettest dreams.

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 13:39

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My grandfather used to say, “A Republican can’t enjoy his dinner unless he knows that somebody else is hungry.”

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > shop-teacher 11/07/2020 at 13:40

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I completely agree, and the disappointing thing is he is the current president and people do listen to him so his followers will be churned to a froth and want some kind of vengeance for their dear leader’s demise. Fuck those guys with a rusty spike. If I see a redneck flying the dixy flag  and a trump flag they are getting the finger.

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 13:41

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There is still some hope. There are two congressional elections that are going to a runoff, and those will decide who controls the Senate. If the Dems can get those seats, McConnell can GTFAC.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 13:43

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McConnell is the definition of the party of NO. Reach across the isle my ass. When they had the majority there was not a cent of morality or empathy. Supreme court justice etc...

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 13:48

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I believe that all of that began with Newt Gingrich and his Contract With America. That seemed to be the beginning of the Republican ideology of scorched earth, all my way, “if I can’t make the rules I’m taking my ball and going home.” The country had been on the road to extremes partisanship, and Trump only exacerbated it. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 13:55

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I’m gonna have to stay off facebook for a while. My state voted re d and the conspiracy theories about voter fraud are rolling out, Biden didn’t win, the SCOTUS will right this... and this shit is right from the president and his followers believe him (duh).

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 14:01

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TX went red, and the stories are already coming out about poll watchers suing, saying laws were broken and they were excluded. One lady was arrested for filming inside the polling place, which is illegal. The Republicans are going to try winning by denying votes, rather than winning them.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/07/2020 at 16:01

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Chris Wallace and their numbers group do straight reporting. Fox called AZ before anyone. Credit where credit’s due. 

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 16:11

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NATO was formed to fight the Soviet Union, not to foster democracy. Turkey and Hungary are members. Hungary ha s straight of nazis in power and Turney ain’t much better.

Our real problem is Americans are very poorly educated when it comes to the history of their nation.

VincentMalamute-Kim > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/07/2020 at 16:35

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Yes, Wallace is rational. Not sure why Fox keeps him (and their numbers group ) on. Does Fox really care about appearing “balanced” in their news division?

Anything else Fox does like calling AZ early makes me suspicious that they’re doing it for their own interests. i.e. looking ahead to get reposition themselves for at least some influence in a Biden administration. I get that it’s their news, not ‘opinion’ people, but still.

ttyymmnn > DipodomysDeserti 11/07/2020 at 17:07

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Not what I as implying. I was using it as an example of how Trump has distanced the US from its traditional allies.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > VincentMalamute-Kim 11/07/2020 at 17:34

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I think their hard news dept and their talk/entertainment division are two very different things. I don’t see anything nefarious in the call. They saw it, and called it like they saw it.

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 11/07/2020 at 17:58

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Out of the thirty countries in NATO, I think only two would be considered traditional allies (France and the UK). The rest have a pretty storied history of either straight up fascism or appeasement of fascists elsewhere (in the case of the various central European powers). A few others are completely irrelevant. And a lot of those “allies” were pretty fed up with us after our bungling of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Yes, Trump is bad, but quite a lot has been glossed over in order to make that point.

shop-teacher > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/07/2020 at 18:10

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I've got one across the street from me.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DipodomysDeserti 11/07/2020 at 19:19

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Our real problem is Americans are very poorly educated when it comes to the history of their nation.

FTFY.

I have long said that the solution to a lmost all our problems is better primary education. No Child Left behind was/is a travesty and the fact that we value teachers and school budgets so poorly is s ha meful.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DipodomysDeserti 11/07/2020 at 19:27

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I have no illusions about the *other* problems our country has (and the Ds are NOT setting out a policy that’ s strong on fixing said issues...) But it’s important to acknowledge that Trump was VERY bad. N ot just for our foreign relations, but for the environment, and business regulation, and taxation, and civil rights, and education , and science, and political stability, and policy moderation, and budgets, and women, and the postal service, and human lives in our own country. If we don’t pay attention to all the bad he did it’s easy to forget a solid half of it (because there’s so much) and either not fix it, or even make it worse...

DipodomysDeserti > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 11/07/2020 at 19:29

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Yep. I’m a teacher and work three jobs just to earn a decent living. Went back to grad school to gtfo. Of course the economy takes a shit right as I’m finishing up.

DipodomysDeserti > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 11/07/2020 at 19:34

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Many (all) of those were deep seated problems in America long before Trump was around. The big difference is he didn’t pay lip service to fixing them like his predecessors. Which I think may  actually been a good thing moving forward (assuming we now hold the people paying lip service to them accountable). I voted for Biden, but I do not have any illusions that him or Kamala will offer any meaningful change in those regards. The fact that most of my fellow Americans are dancing around like the munchkins in Wizard if Oz is not giving me any hope.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DipodomysDeserti 11/07/2020 at 19:38

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poo :p

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DipodomysDeserti 11/07/2020 at 19:44

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The number of executive orders Trump issued that directly effected the above list in a way that is demonstrably detrimental to the health, stability, equality and future of our nation and the world says he did more than just “not pay lip service [to the issues]” I’m not disagreeing that they existe d before Trump , but it’s really important NOT to forget just how much damage one man *CAN* do if we let them.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-967

DipodomysDeserti > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 11/07/2020 at 20:01

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I think we need to decide whether Trump was totally incompetent, or the most competent president we’ve had since FDR. People seem to want both to be true.

If he could totally reverse the progress made by Obama in four years, than one of them was totally incompetent. That, or no real progress is made by ruling  through presidential fiat (which they both did).

I’d make the argument they were both incompetent, and that we all need to focus more on who we elect locally.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > DipodomysDeserti 11/07/2020 at 20:29

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Trump is an idiot, but he’s a very effective idiot, or possibly more importantly, he is surrounded by people willing to tell him how to get the things they want and who know the loopholes that will allow them to make him make it happen (which I think pretty well describes the Republican party these days *cough* Mitch McConnell *cough*). Obama was very status quo, he exercised executive order to a slightly greater degree than average, and in my op inion, mostly to the benefit of the nation. T rump has signed so many executive orders and appointed so many blatant industry shills to cabinet and commission positions that it’s unprecedented. I would call it an abuse of power, but many, not without reason, will call it “getting shit done”. I think there is no argument that the Trump admin has been very “effective”, just that the effect has been almost universally awful.

Local el ections are important, but the starfuckery of our cou ntry -and top-down organization of our fabulously broken two-party non-coalition government al system- and T he M edia and  the continuing world infa tuation (hopefully much damaged these days) with the US means we *ALSO* need to elect a head of state that reflects where we want to go and who we want to be. Sadly, nearly half the country app arently wants to be the world equiva l ent of a toxically masculine, serial lying, reactionary, misogynistic, racist, hypocritical, classist, asshole.